#office-hours (2021-06)
“Office Hours” are every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers! https://cloudposse.com/office-hours
Public “Office Hours” are held every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers!
https://cpco.io/slack-office-hours
Meeting password: sweetops
2021-06-01
2021-06-02
A Cloud Guru has signed a definitive agreement to be acquired by Pluralsight
news*
ACG went downhill after purchasing LA. LA was much better in my opinion.
This is coming from someone who actually likes Kroonenberg. ACG cheapened the value of AWS certs.
anyone try it out yet
?
@Mohammed Yahya Ah cool. I saw that flag the other day actually but didn’t know they posted something about it. I’m switching away from TFC though… can’t deal with that price tag for a larger customer.
Have not tried this. The requirement to be on 0.15.2 means I can’t easily make the switch.
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@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) Wicked cool room to stream from. Love it.
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Here’s one for discussion if we have time. I’ve been thinking through “Cloud Native” development vs “Local Development -> To Cloud”.
Question: If “adopting cloud first” accelerates by fully using AWS services solves much reengineering, then how/should you balance local containerization/development? IE, building an ECS Service, but then maintaining a docker compose stack for local development as well.
Examples:
- Using environment variables in containers vs loading directly from ssm, secrets manager
- Building for ECS but then reinventing with local docker stack + mysql instead of RDS.
- Using RDS, but then in local docker having postgresql/mysql
I’m going to follow this disuccsion. I’m in a similar situation where i have apps that are migrating to containerization and i’m starting with building the image locally and running the stack with compose + containerized postgresql. it works great. downstream from that i push the image to ECR and deploy from there into ECS.
So perhaps I am going the opposite direction than what you shared?
In any case, dealing with env parameters and other inputs is something my team is still working on. for simple apps that just need a DB its not an issue. for others that need API keys, etc, its a bit more of a pain to run and test locally.
how/should you balance local containerization/development?
There is also the ECS integration for docker compose which ideally would allow you to use your compose definition to deploy to ECS. I haven’t had much luck with this one though. I’d also be interested in seeing how this ties into services like RDS and base infra like VPCs, subnets, security groups, etc.
Good stuff. Yeah I’m not interested in the docker ecs integration as I feel it’s too much like Amplify, good for a prebuilt stack but not great for full control when I can just use terraform.
I’m thinking local dev can be painful if it’s all ecs but at the same time if infra as code does the stack for them and they can have their own sandbox (timeboxed) then at that point maybe what’s the point of redoing the stack locally when multiple services required. At that point maybe my focus should be on self-service dev environment on demand using all the cloud services. Just build for AWS from ground zero and not worry about env variables vs ssm parameters if the whole stack is contained in AWS anyway
Posting gist of question for more compact review during office hours….
I am building a mix of containers + some services that in production will be on ec2, but still mostly able to be containerized.
Where do we draw the balance between full leveraging of AWS tools and eco system vs local docker experience?
- Example 1: SSM Parameters as source of config vs env variables? Mix and match, more logic to build?
- Example 2: docker compose with reverse proxy, much more complicated to run locally with SSL and not even same code necessarily in production for final configuration. Do we eliminate trying to spin all this up locally and rely on ecs task only?
- Example 3: web app + backend + database (mySQL)… now a compose stack that needs to talk to another compose stack. Reproduce all this in local docker compose stacks despite eventually going to RDS + ECS Fargate?
other related links of interest for those thinking through this
Threaded Discussion:
Twitter Thread: Economics and general discussion of building with cloud native approach vs building your own https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1399013516107948037 Dev.To Debate on Serverless side (ties into container stuff too): https://dev.to/garethmcc/why-local-development-for-serverless-is-an-anti-pattern-1d9b
I used Pluralsight a few years ago and it got good trainings on it
seems some trainers got rich by teaching on it lol
Amplify is similar to Netlify with being a more plug and play with less effort it seems
a new version of beanstalk?
sorry, they are definitely 2 products, looks to me they are trying to solve the same issue from different angles
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A simpler, more powerful beanstalk IMO. Still not a good use-case for a lot of scenarios but good for lots of simpler use-cases like simple static sites.
Have you used Netlify and can you compare the experience? Netlify has been fantastic to make CICD for my blog super easy and lots of perks. AWS has little control with budgets so I’m leary of using them for anything personal
no, heard of it
got it
I haven’t used Netlify, but If you’re already on Netlify then I’d probably just stay on it. Likely not worth the switch for something that already exists.
Netlify focuses on static site CICD and simple serverless functions. It’s very targeted so all design is focused purely on static website process, automatic branch previews etc.
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I love yaml, it is a language between English and Chinese lol
that I can understand
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cc: @Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)
neat!
I’m a big, big fan of Leapp. It became an must to have tool on my mac.
@Jeremy G (Cloud Posse)
Thanks for sharing!
Started discussion here based on your thoughts to get that dialogue started.
Sweet, I responded
support sso and ssm
@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) Might be good for our client’s developers. Definitely far underpowered for me to use.
Hi everyone I’m Andrea, one of the maintainer of the Leapp project. Thanks for mentioning our project and for opening a discussion on it! Tomorrow i will give you a detailed response on all your questions, and i will be open on discussing all the ideas on the app, based on your needs! I really enjoy speaking about cloud access.
Sadly since tomorrow I will be busy, because on tomorrow I have the DevOps Professional certification on AWS!
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Cool - maybe we can have you on an upcoming office hours too
absolutely! will be a pleasure to me!
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https://itnext.io/managing-kubernetes-secrets-securely-with-gitops-b8174b4f4d30 looks like a decent read about the SOPS stuff. Haven’t finished getting through it yet
13:51:48 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : XML
14:01:07 From Patrick Joyce to Everyone : I want to use eco anywhere on Digital ocean droplets, it'll be like inception
14:01:47 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : Plaid does the same thing: they work on APIs so to apply to them you must do an API call
14:01:51 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : <https://plaid.com/careers/>
14:01:52 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : <https://registry.terraform.io/providers/playgroundtech/playgroundtech/latest/docs/resources/application?pollNotifications=true>
14:03:21 From Oliver Schoenborn to Everyone : Hilarious
14:05:33 From Hao Wang to Everyone : lol
14:06:00 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Starcraft: "show me the money"
14:07:01 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Seems not related but idk why I recalled it
14:07:07 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : Really waiting for this feature to come back to Leapp: <https://github.com/Noovolari/leapp/pull/90>
14:07:45 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : I generally really like Leapp, it's been a bit annoying for some of our Devs (we do have SSO setup)
14:08:31 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : Big fan also.
14:13:33 From Marc Slayton to Everyone : You mentioned ssm integration -- how about RDS IAM integration? Anything there?
14:17:02 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : +1 to their dev team being super responsive
14:17:11 From tamsky to Everyone : How about avoiding credentials files alltogether - load ssh-agent with TPM-stored certificates ?
14:27:44 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : I had posted in office-hours about cloudfirst development approach. Would be nice to have some discussion on this after call if anyone has thoughts. It changes software design quite a bit
14:29:54 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : you all are awesome
Hi @sheldonh: I’m dealing with that at the moment because I want to create a portfolio site, and the content of the site is meant to serve as a skaffold for anyone who might want to build their own portfolio site.
sorry, content of what site? Are you talking about netlify/static sites or something else?
Oops, sorry @sheldonh I meant: https://vitrina.readthedocs.io/
2021-06-03
ciao everyone, where’s the best place to post contribution PRs?
2021-06-04
2021-06-06
@here hey everyone! We’re excited to announce a special edition of Office Hours this week!
We have @Yoni Leitersdorf (Indeni Cloudrail) joining us from Indeni. Yoni is a regular contributor and active member of our community and he’s going to talk to us about their product Cloudrail and how it can help you identify misconfigurations in your IaC so you can achieve Continuous Compliance in your CI processes. Make sure you post your questions here
2021-06-07
2021-06-09
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Question: I’d like further discussion on what’s a general good practice for dealing with local developer vs cloud first experience. See details on that thread. Posting a question right now to summarize for easier review
Threaded Discussion: https://sweetops.slack.com/archives/CHDR1EWNA/p1622659071049000
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:tada: WOW. Never thought 1.0 would happen. That’s fun
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links from today’s office hours:
• https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/announcing-hashicorp-terraform-1-0-general-availability
• Signup to Cloudrail: https://web.cloudrail.app/
• Sample TF test cases to test Cloudrail against: https://github.com/indeni/cloudrail-demo
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@redeux shared with me the following link
https://www.terraform.io/docs/language/v1-compatibility-promises.html
In short, we aim to make upgrades between v1.x releases straightforward, requiring no changes to your configuration, no extra commands to run upgrade steps, and no changes to any automation you’ve set up around Terraform.
So basically, 1.x should be pretty smooth, but 1.x → 2.x might be 0.11 → 0.12 all over again
2021-06-10
@here we have another special edition of Office Hours next week Wednesday June 16th!
@Taylor Dolezal will be joining us! Taylor is a Senior Developer Advocate at HashiCorp and we’ll be talking to him about an array of topics including: his role, what’s it like to be a developer at HashiCorp, what we can expect next for Terraform, Nomad vs Kubernetes, security considerations with custom providers, and answering live Q&A from anyone who joins! Hope to see you there
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@Taylor Dolezal, welcome brother
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Hola, compadre! Long time, no see!
Looking forward to your talk
I can’t wait!
2021-06-15
Does anyone here run kubernetes in a FedRAMP environment? If so, what do you use for backups? I was looking at Valero but it doesn’t appear to have FIPS approved libraries.
2021-06-16
@here office hours is starting in 30 minutes! Remember to post your questions here.
I don’t think we’ll get to this today because we have another special edition with @Taylor Dolezal, Developer Advocate of HashiCorp joining us
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links from today’s session:
• https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases/tag/v1.1.0-alpha20210616
• HashiTalks Build: https://events.hashicorp.com/hashitalksbuild
• Community Office Hours: https://www.hashicorp.com/community/office-hours
• HashiCast: https://hashicast.com (podcast by the HashiCorp Developer Advocate team)
• HashiCorp’s Learn site just got a GIANT update and it’d be great to have people check this out! https://learn.hashicorp.com/
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Question for Taylor: Do you ever see HashiCorp creating a layer above Terraform to orchestrate many root modules / deal with that DAG? I believe a lot of us in the terraform community run into that problem once you’ve been in terraform for a while, so I’m interested if there is any thoughts there?
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Question for Taylor: As someone who builds demos for a living, can you talk a little bit about your approach to maintaining demos long term? I’ve found that demos, both in OSS and in my own company, frequently get outdated and sometimes even cause more confusion due to people being led down a path that isn’t necessarily current any more.
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Howdy, team! :wave: Thank you for such a fun session! I’m stoked to return in the future and wanted to address two questions we got asked that we didn’t have time for on the call.
How difficult is it to perform a terraform import vs. building resources from scratch ?
Terraform import is helpful for importing the state of infrastructure that already exists, which can be helpful in onboarding your stack to your Terraform workflows. I think that’s the best option when you aren’t able to easily work with your infrastructure or application stack in its current form. If the stack is easily converted to HCL or infrastructure as code, then it might be better off to start from scratch. But the thing that counts most is if you have any important state that would be destroyed or lost if you start from scratch would be my concern!
Do you feel Kubernetes operators like the AWS Operator is a “threat” to Terraform, considering in theory we could use pure Kubernetes API to manage AWS resources?
Personally, I see this as an interesting and useful example of what the community wants to see, and how they want to structure their infrastructure as code. I don’t think it’s a threat so much as it is a good example for helping shape projects like the Terraform Cloud Operator for Kubernetes (https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-k8s)
2021-06-21
2021-06-22
| [Terraform and Polycloud | Cloud Posse Guest Speaker: Taylor Dolezal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtwoDjUefg) |
2021-06-23
Sharing for office hours as well as in #aws….
Can you do a 302 redirect using a listener rule to the S3 website instead of serving the content directly from the ALB?
I’ve run into this problem before but it was a couple years ago… I forget what I did exactly, but the 302 is how I would look into now.
Are you trying to avoid cloudfront? I’m not sure why you need the ALB here, keep it simple and use ecs frontend (nginx image) behind the ALB instead of s3
This environment has no cloudfront but not necessarily trying to avoid it. yep, a route to a maint page image/container could also work. I do appreciate the simplicity of keeping the routing in the ALB listener vs having to maintain another target group+attachment, but yeah that’s a good approach.
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links from today’s session:
• https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/pull/64
• https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-global-accelerator
• https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-macie/pull/1
• https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-firewall-manager
• https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-spacelift-cloud-infrastructure-automation/pull/44
• https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/tree/main/tools/terraform-bundle
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This might help with the community management too: “I swear I am not deleting any outputs” https://github.blog/changelog/2021-06-23-issues-forms-beta-for-public-repositories/
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Azure environment here - that’d be great! Azure publishes their own reference architectures for cloud here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/architecture/. I may be out of my element here though as I’m not leveraging Terraform (yet).
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FYI. I saw this, may be of interest. https://thenewstack.io/secrets-management-doppler-or-hashicorp-vault/
2021-06-24
I have asked this in #packer as well, but I think it would make a good topic to discuss via office hours. Hey Packer Peeps, I have been using packer for a year at an old company and it worked flawlessly however I am at a new company with restrictions on AWS security groups and any SG created with wide open access is automagically deleted. Therefore when packer try’s to do anything via ssh over port 22 and the temp SG [0.0.0.0\0] packer times out waiting for ssh access. Does anyone know of a way to specify something other than [0.0.0.0\0] in the packer file? (The things we should discuss imho, is how to use terraform to set up blocking 0.0.0.0\0 and then the fix for packer of course seeing as my google fu is failing me today.)
We have the same scenario. basically, the work around is to create an SG that is compliant and then using that in your packer run. You can create the SG well ahead of time and use that in future packer runs. I will share some code in a bit…
"builders": [{
"type": "amazon-ebs",
"region": "us-east-1",
"vpc_id": "VPC YOU MAKE HERE",
"subnet_id": "SUBNET ID IN THAT VPC",
"associate_public_ip_address": "true",
then pass in the sec group
perfect thanks
security_group_id (string) - The ID (not the name) of the security group to assign to the instance. By default this is not set and Packer will automatically create a new temporary security group to allow SSH access. Note that if this is specified, you must be sure the security group allows access to the ssh_port given below.
| [Store Terraform Generated SSH Key Pairs in SSM | Cloud Posse Explains](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JCwEBkDe_s) |
2021-06-25
| [How to Serve a Static Maintenance Page Through an ALB | Cloud Posse Explains](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VGYlKfljWA) |
2021-06-29
I came across this tool, looks way way way cool, GitHub actions locally.
2021-06-30
Hi everyone! Since a month ago a great discussion about Leapp has started in this community, I want to announce that today we are releasing a new version of the App, with a mayor update: support to AWS Named-profiles, has requested by @Jeremy G (Cloud Posse) : Go check it out! And let me know what you think, any feedback is appreciated: https://twitter.com/a_cava94/status/1410219443846799360
(announced on office hours)
@Jeremy G (Cloud Posse) is going to check this out
Awesome! I missed this Office Hour but definitely want to partecipate on the next one!
Thanks a lot
Awesome! I missed this Office Hour but definitely want to partecipate on the next one!
Thanks a lot
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Question: Has anyone worked with declarative config for AWS Control Tower? The official TF provider for AWS has resources for the various components (Config, Organizations, Security Hub, etc.) but I don’t see anything listed for Control Tower itself. TL;DR, I’m looking for a way to use Terraform to bootstrap a deployment of AWS Control Tower.
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New to CloudPosse, we are looking to utilize your open-source modules and provide a simplified format for developers to use using the Terraform CDK with TypeScript. Didn’t know if there was any thoughts or advice on using your modules with the CDK
example:
new Instance("my-instance",{});
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I have a question about Customer Managed KMS Keys if there is time…
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@here another special edition of Office Hours is in the works for July 21st! @Taylor Dolezal will be returning to the show and will be demoing HashiCorp’s Waypoint project for us. Please queue up your questions here and hope to see you there
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