#office-hours (2021-06)

Meeting password: sweetops

Public “Office Hours” are held every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers! https://cpco.io/slack-office-hours

Public “Office Hours” are held every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers! https://cpco.io/slack-office-hours

Meeting password: sweetops

2021-06-10

Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse) avatar
Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)

@here we have another special edition of Office Hours next week Wednesday June 16th!

@Taylor Dolezal will be joining us! Taylor is a Senior Developer Advocate at HashiCorp and we’ll be talking to him about an array of topics including: his role, what’s it like to be a developer at HashiCorp, what we can expect next for Terraform, Nomad vs Kubernetes, security considerations with custom providers, and answering live Q&A from anyone who joins! Hope to see you there

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Steven Hopkins (Cloud Posse) avatar
Steven Hopkins (Cloud Posse)

@Taylor Dolezal, welcome brother

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Taylor Dolezal avatar
Taylor Dolezal

Hola, compadre! Long time, no see!

Steven Hopkins (Cloud Posse) avatar
Steven Hopkins (Cloud Posse)

Looking forward to your talk

Taylor Dolezal avatar
Taylor Dolezal

I can’t wait!

2021-06-09

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) avatar
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)
06:00:57 PM

@here office hours is starting in 30 minutes! Remember to post your questions here.

sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

Question: I’d like further discussion on what’s a general good practice for dealing with local developer vs cloud first experience. See details on that thread. Posting a question right now to summarize for easier review

Threaded Discussion: https://sweetops.slack.com/archives/CHDR1EWNA/p1622659071049000

Here’s one for discussion if we have time. I’ve been thinking through “Cloud Native” development vs “Local Development -> To Cloud”.

Question: If “adopting cloud first” accelerates by fully using AWS services solves much reengineering, then how/should you balance local containerization/development? IE, building an ECS Service, but then maintaining a docker compose stack for local development as well.

Examples:

  • Using environment variables in containers vs loading directly from ssm, secrets manager
  • Building for ECS but then reinventing with local docker stack + mysql instead of RDS.
  • Using RDS, but then in local docker having postgresql/mysql
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sheldonh

:tada: WOW. Never thought 1.0 would happen. That’s fun

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Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)

links from today’s office hours:

https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/announcing-hashicorp-terraform-1-0-general-availability

• Signup to Cloudrail: https://web.cloudrail.app/

• Sample TF test cases to test Cloudrail against: https://github.com/indeni/cloudrail-demo

Announcing HashiCorp Terraform 1.0 General Availability attachment image

Terraform 1.0 — now generally available — marks a major milestone for interoperability, ease of upgrades, and maintenance for your automation workflows.

indeni/cloudrail-demo attachment image

This repository contains the instructions for how to use Cloudrail, as well as specific scenarios to test Cloudrail with. - indeni/cloudrail-demo

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)
KICS

Open source solution for static code analysis of Infrastructure as Code. Finding security vulnerabilities, compliance issues, and infrastructure misconfigurations during project development cycle.

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

@ shared with me the following link  https://www.terraform.io/docs/language/v1-compatibility-promises.html
In short, we aim to make upgrades between v1.x releases straightforward, requiring no changes to your configuration, no extra commands to run upgrade steps, and no changes to any automation you’ve set up around Terraform.
So basically, 1.x should be pretty smooth, but 1.x → 2.x might be 0.110.12 all over again

Terraform v1.0 Compatibility Promises - Terraform by HashiCorp

From Terraform v1.0 onwards the Terraform team promises to preserve backward compatibility for most of the Terraform language and the primary CLI workflow, until the next major release.

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2021-06-06

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Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)
Network Security & Cloud Native Security Infrastructure Automation | Indeni

Indeni provides security infrastructure automation with unprecedented visibility that’s ready to go in minutes so you can focus on mission-critical projects.

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2021-06-03

Henry Course avatar
Henry Course

ciao everyone, where’s the best place to post contribution PRs?

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Brian Ojeda

I believe that would be #pr-reviews

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2021-06-02

Mohammed Yahya avatar
Mohammed Yahya

A Cloud Guru has signed a definitive agreement to be acquired by Pluralsight

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Pluralsight to Acquire A Cloud Guru to Accelerate Solving the Single Biggest Challenge in IT Today: The Growing Cloud Skills Gap attachment image

/PRNewswire/ – Pluralsight, Inc., the technology workforce development company, today announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire A…

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this is terrible nwes

Pluralsight to Acquire A Cloud Guru to Accelerate Solving the Single Biggest Challenge in IT Today: The Growing Cloud Skills Gap attachment image

/PRNewswire/ – Pluralsight, Inc., the technology workforce development company, today announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire A…

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news*

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Mo Battah

ACG went downhill after purchasing LA. LA was much better in my opinion.

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Mo Battah

This is coming from someone who actually likes Kroonenberg. ACG cheapened the value of AWS certs.

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New Apply User Interface for Terraform Cloud attachment image

The redesigned interface for HashiCorp Terraform Cloud brings clarity to how your resources, state, and infrastructure operations are represented during a Terraform run.

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@Matt Gowie this is for you

New Apply User Interface for Terraform Cloud attachment image

The redesigned interface for HashiCorp Terraform Cloud brings clarity to how your resources, state, and infrastructure operations are represented during a Terraform run.

Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) avatar
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

anyone try it out yet

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

?

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Matt Gowie avatar
Matt Gowie

@ Ah cool. I saw that flag the other day actually but didn’t know they posted something about it. I’m switching away from TFC though… can’t deal with that price tag for a larger customer.

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Matt Gowie

Have not tried this. The requirement to be on 0.15.2 means I can’t easily make the switch.

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06:00:31 PM

@here office hours is starting in 30 minutes! Remember to post your questions here.

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@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) Wicked cool room to stream from. Love it.

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sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

Here’s one for discussion if we have time. I’ve been thinking through “Cloud Native” development vs “Local Development -> To Cloud”.

Question: If “adopting cloud first” accelerates by fully using AWS services solves much reengineering, then how/should you balance local containerization/development? IE, building an ECS Service, but then maintaining a docker compose stack for local development as well.

Examples:

  • Using environment variables in containers vs loading directly from ssm, secrets manager
  • Building for ECS but then reinventing with local docker stack + mysql instead of RDS.
  • Using RDS, but then in local docker having postgresql/mysql
managedkaos avatar
managedkaos

I’m going to follow this disuccsion. I’m in a similar situation where i have apps that are migrating to containerization and i’m starting with building the image locally and running the stack with compose + containerized postgresql. it works great. downstream from that i push the image to ECR and deploy from there into ECS.

So perhaps I am going the opposite direction than what you shared?

In any case, dealing with env parameters and other inputs is something my team is still working on. for simple apps that just need a DB its not an issue. for others that need API keys, etc, its a bit more of a pain to run and test locally.

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managedkaos


how/should you balance local containerization/development?
There is also the ECS integration for docker compose which ideally would allow you to use your compose definition to deploy to ECS. I haven’t had much luck with this one though. I’d also be interested in seeing how this ties into services like RDS and base infra like VPCs, subnets, security groups, etc.

sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

Good stuff. Yeah I’m not interested in the docker ecs integration as I feel it’s too much like Amplify, good for a prebuilt stack but not great for full control when I can just use terraform.

I’m thinking local dev can be painful if it’s all ecs but at the same time if infra as code does the stack for them and they can have their own sandbox (timeboxed) then at that point maybe what’s the point of redoing the stack locally when multiple services required. At that point maybe my focus should be on self-service dev environment on demand using all the cloud services. Just build for AWS from ground zero and not worry about env variables vs ssm parameters if the whole stack is contained in AWS anyway

sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

Posting gist of question for more compact review during office hours….

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sheldonh

I am building a mix of containers + some services that in production will be on ec2, but still mostly able to be containerized.

Where do we draw the balance between full leveraging of AWS tools and eco system vs local docker experience?

  • Example 1: SSM Parameters as source of config vs env variables? Mix and match, more logic to build?
  • Example 2: docker compose with reverse proxy, much more complicated to run locally with SSL and not even same code necessarily in production for final configuration. Do we eliminate trying to spin all this up locally and rely on ecs task only?
  • Example 3: web app + backend + database (mySQL)… now a compose stack that needs to talk to another compose stack. Reproduce all this in local docker compose stacks despite eventually going to RDS + ECS Fargate?
sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

other related links of interest for those thinking through this

Threaded Discussion:

Twitter Thread: Economics and general discussion of building with cloud native approach vs building your own https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1399013516107948037 Dev.To> Debate on Serverless side (ties into container stuff too): <https://dev.to/garethmcc/why-local-development-for-serverless-is-an-anti-pattern-1d9b

Excellent financial analysis of using commoditized cloud infrastructure (vanilla servers). It misses: i) the (long-term devastating) cultural cost of recruiting world-class engineers to do undifferentiated heavy lifting; ii) it’s unfeasible to recreate noncommodity infra. 1/n https://twitter.com/martin_casado/status/1397989124682903554

[NewPost] Sure, Cloud is great. But we show it hurts share price of public companies on the order of hundreds of billions

… and they can economically justify almost any level of work (including repatriation) in order to lower costs (w/ @sarahdingwang)

https://a16z.com/2021/05/27/cost-of-cloud-paradox-market-cap-cloud-lifecycle-scale-growth-repatriation-optimization/

Why local development for serverless is an anti-pattern attachment image

Developing locally when building a serverless application is not only tiresome and hard to do its actually bad for you

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

I used Pluralsight a few years ago and it got good trainings on it

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

seems some trainers got rich by teaching on it lol

sheldonh avatar
sheldonh

Amplify is similar to Netlify with being a more plug and play with less effort it seems

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

a new version of beanstalk?

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

sorry, they are definitely 2 products, looks to me they are trying to solve the same issue from different angles

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Matt Gowie avatar
Matt Gowie

A simpler, more powerful beanstalk IMO. Still not a good use-case for a lot of scenarios but good for lots of simpler use-cases like simple static sites.

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sheldonh

Have you used Netlify and can you compare the experience? Netlify has been fantastic to make CICD for my blog super easy and lots of perks. AWS has little control with budgets so I’m leary of using them for anything personal

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

no, heard of it

Hao Wang avatar
Hao Wang

got it

Matt Gowie avatar
Matt Gowie

I haven’t used Netlify, but If you’re already on Netlify then I’d probably just stay on it. Likely not worth the switch for something that already exists.

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sheldonh

Netlify focuses on static site CICD and simple serverless functions. It’s very targeted so all design is focused purely on static website process, automatic branch previews etc.

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Hao Wang

I love yaml, it is a language between English and Chinese lol

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sheldonh

toml is growing on me more as much as I love yaml compared to json

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Hao Wang

that I can understand

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Feature Ignore Paths by joelholmes · Pull Request #64 · vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir attachment image

Issue: #37 Created a function that will copy existing files listed in the destination directory to the staging area prior to deletion preserving the content. I felt that pulling the content into th…

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cc: @Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)

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Andy Miguel (Cloud Posse)

neat!

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Leapp - One step away from your Cloud attachment image

Leapp is the tool to access your cloud. It securely stores your access information and generates temporary credential sets to access AWS and Azure Cloud envi…

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I’m a big, big fan of Leapp. It became an must to have tool on my mac.

Leapp - One step away from your Cloud attachment image

Leapp is the tool to access your cloud. It securely stores your access information and generates temporary credential sets to access AWS and Azure Cloud envi…

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)
Noovolari/leapp attachment image

Leapp is the tool to access your cloud; It securely stores your access information and generates temporary credential sets to access your cloud ecosystem from your local machine. - Noovolari/leapp

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

@Jeremy (Cloud Posse)

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Andrey Nazarov

Thanks for sharing!

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sheldonh

Started discussion here based on your thoughts to get that dialogue started.

https://github.com/Noovolari/leapp/discussions/120

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) avatar
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

Sweet, I responded

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Mohammed Yahya

support sso and ssm

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Jeremy (Cloud Posse) avatar
Jeremy (Cloud Posse)

@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) Might be good for our client’s developers. Definitely far underpowered for me to use.

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Andrea Cavagna

Hi everyone I’m Andrea, one of the maintainer of the Leapp project. Thanks for mentioning our project and for opening a discussion on it! Tomorrow i will give you a detailed response on all your questions, and i will be open on discussing all the ideas on the app, based on your needs! I really enjoy speaking about cloud access.

Sadly since tomorrow I will be busy, because on tomorrow I have the DevOps Professional certification on AWS!

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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) avatar
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)

Cool - maybe we can have you on an upcoming office hours too

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Andrea Cavagna

absolutely! will be a pleasure to me!

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roth.andy

https://itnext.io/managing-kubernetes-secrets-securely-with-gitops-b8174b4f4d30 looks like a decent read about the SOPS stuff. Haven’t finished getting through it yet

Managing Kubernetes Secrets Securely with GitOps attachment image

You can manage secrets with GitOps and you should. Using GitOps you can do it securely, you can do it at scale, and it’s automated!

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13:51:48 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : XML
14:01:07 From Patrick Joyce to Everyone : I want to use eco anywhere on Digital ocean droplets, it'll be like inception
14:01:47 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : Plaid does the same thing: they work on APIs so to apply to them you must do an API call
14:01:51 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : <https://plaid.com/careers/>
14:01:52 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : <https://registry.terraform.io/providers/playgroundtech/playgroundtech/latest/docs/resources/application?pollNotifications=true>
14:03:21 From Oliver Schoenborn to Everyone : Hilarious
14:05:33 From Hao Wang to Everyone : lol
14:06:00 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Starcraft: "show me the money"
14:07:01 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Seems not related but idk why I recalled it
14:07:07 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : Really waiting for this feature to come back to Leapp: <https://github.com/Noovolari/leapp/pull/90>
14:07:45 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : I generally really like Leapp, it's been a bit annoying for some of our Devs (we do have SSO setup)
14:08:31 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : Big fan also.
14:13:33 From Marc Slayton to Everyone : You mentioned ssm integration -- how about RDS IAM integration?  Anything there?
14:17:02 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : +1 to their dev team being super responsive
14:17:11 From tamsky to Everyone : How about avoiding credentials files alltogether - load  ssh-agent with TPM-stored certificates ?
14:27:44 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : I had posted in office-hours about cloudfirst development approach. Would be nice to have some discussion on this after call if anyone has thoughts. It changes software design quite a bit
14:29:54 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : you all are awesome
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Blaise Pabon

Hi @sheldonh: I’m dealing with that at the moment because I want to create a portfolio site, and the content of the site is meant to serve as a skaffold for anyone who might want to build their own portfolio site.

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sheldonh

sorry, content of what site? Are you talking about netlify/static sites or something else?

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Blaise Pabon

Oops, sorry @sheldonh I meant: https://vitrina.readthedocs.io/

2021-06-01

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