#random (2022-07)
Non-work banter and water cooler conversation
A place for non-work-related flimflam, faffing, hodge-podge or jibber-jabber you’d prefer to keep out of more focused work-related channels.
Archive: https://archive.sweetops.com/random/
2022-07-06
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2022-07-08
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2022-07-11
2022-07-14
![Ross Rochford avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2021-09-08/2461391979958_2c1cc8965dd86c805c09_72.png)
Hi everyone. Does anyone know of an online community similar to Indie Hackers but focused on devops? I sometimes come up with ideas for SaaS businesses related to devops and infrastructure, but I need people to spitball with.
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+1 as I would be interested in this
(if we can’t find one, lets start one!)
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Also there are a few on Discord.
![Ross Rochford avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2021-09-08/2461391979958_2c1cc8965dd86c805c09_72.png)
To clarify when I say “similar to Indie Hackers”, I mean in the context of the bootrapping startup community. People who aspire to run a small self-funded SaaS business.
![Ross Rochford avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2021-09-08/2461391979958_2c1cc8965dd86c805c09_72.png)
Of course there are some devOps/infra businesses in that community, but it would be good to have somewhere where devOps expertise is high
![Ross Rochford avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2021-09-08/2461391979958_2c1cc8965dd86c805c09_72.png)
Forums like SweetOps are great, but seems to cater for people who are gainfully employed within a large organization.
![Soren Jensen avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2022-03-29/3335297940336_31e10a3485a2bd8c35af_72.png)
Only seeing this now, but I’m working for a small start up, 4th start up job in a row.. and there are definitely others here who also doesn’t work for a corporation.
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Happy to create the channel, but it always works best if there’s a group behind it that want to use it. We have a lot of dormant channels.
![Ross Rochford avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2021-09-08/2461391979958_2c1cc8965dd86c805c09_72.png)
I’m happy to take responsibility for it if you like. I guess we can see whether it gets any traction and reassess after a few weeks.
2022-07-15
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Is anyone using Dagger.io regularly as part of their core CI process now in an enterprise company? It’s so intriguing to have a pure clean process that both CI and local match 100%, but confusing as heck when I’ve given it a shot. I’m really interested in Cue and it seems a very promising way to containerize mostly all of what you need to run.
That said, because I work in Go, mostly the tooling and Mage (make alternative in Go) work really well and I never really deal with dependency issues till i do other things like pre-commit with python and other tools.
Gut reaction initially is that it’s years before it will be ready for widespread usage and that it’s more a niche product with an unclear direction in scope. That’s my first impression because of the mixing between task running, isolated build, consideration of pre-commit checks and more.
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Following — I’m very interested to hear another review. Glad to see yours randomly Sheldon.
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2022-07-19
2022-07-21
![Andy avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2020-05-21/1161682414896_20498c74fddfeb29e652_72.jpg)
Hi all do any teams use their secret store (e.g. Vault/Secrets Manager) for storing non-secrets (e.g. the URL for an RDS instance) as well as secrets? Or is it better to enforce only secrets are stored there?
![Andy avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2020-05-21/1161682414896_20498c74fddfeb29e652_72.jpg)
Currently we store non-secrets in the kustomization.yaml
of each micro-services git repository. However some teams are asking if they can exclusively use vault for all configuration. The rationale being that if they ever need to update a value they only have to change it once in vault.
I don’t think that’s the right approach:
• Makes it harder for teams to update configuration if compliance checks are put in place (e.g. only DevOps team are allowed to modify secrets)
• Makes it harder to see at a glance how an application is configured. Probably better to make the teams use something like Parameter Store for non-secret secrets.
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Actually another colleague suggested using a common git repo which defines the common config map values and importing that via kustomize.
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We use AWS SSM for both secrets and config values. It’s really nice having them in the same place.
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same, consul can do something similar and just pull in the vault items behind the scenes I think?
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At a previous place, we had non-secrets along side actual secrets in AWS SM. Pro was convenience, but con was what Andy points out along with excess AWS SM costs. You can perhaps use different keys from KMS for actual and non-secrets, but if starting over, we would have separated them and researched a best practice.
2022-07-22
2022-07-23
2022-07-24
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2022-07-26
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As part of my annual tradition to tell you about how AWS makes Prime Day possible, I am happy to be able to share some chart-topping metrics (check out my 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020, and 2021 posts for a look back). My purchases this year included a first aid kit, some wood brown filament for […]
2022-07-29
![Matt Gowie avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2023-02-06/4762019351860_44dadfaff89f62cba646_72.jpg)
Pretty cool CLI building tool — https://github.com/charmbracelet/gum
A tool for glamorous shell scripts
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![RB avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2020-02-26/958727689603_86844033e59114029b3c_72.png)
cool, I love the drop downs.
so many cli building tools now
• atmos
• choria/app-builder
• ahoy-js
• gum
A tool for glamorous shell scripts
![Matt Gowie avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2023-02-06/4762019351860_44dadfaff89f62cba646_72.jpg)
Yeah — 100%. Everybody needs their own CLI tool nowadays. Would love to hear how ya’ll are using the new atmos CLI commands functionality!
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We’re using it for one client I believe and @Andriy Knysh (Cloud Posse) could probably speak more to that.
Here is an example within the atmos.yaml on how to create a custom atmos <subcommand>
![Matt Gowie avatar](https://avatars.slack-edge.com/2023-02-06/4762019351860_44dadfaff89f62cba646_72.jpg)
Very cool.
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Just came across this tool and was about to share it in #random but looks like Matt was ahead of the times.
Sharing this content in case others find it helpful: http://youtube.com/watch?v=U8zCHA-9VLA