#office-hours (2021-03)
“Office Hours” are every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers! https://cloudposse.com/office-hours
Public “Office Hours” are held every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It’s open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers!
https://cpco.io/slack-office-hours
Meeting password: sweetops
2021-03-01
Would be great to chat about rolling out GuardDuty using Cloud Posse tooling — I see ya’ll have some administration covered by turf and some covered by the terraform-aws-guardduty module so I’d like hear about how those two work together and what the proper Cloud Posse suggested approach is there.
2021-03-03
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@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) How do you manage the s3state backend configuration when you have a project that uses multiple modules. I know you can use: https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-tfstate-backend for the general s3state bucket but how do you manage the seperate s3backen.tf files per submodule ? You cannot use variables in these files
Hashicorp Kubernetes Provider - is it ready for prime-time yet? Targeting mainstream cloud platforms and managed k8s, is anyone inclined to share their best practices (e.g. multiple states “Infra” vs “Service deployments”, integration into CICD, etc)?
Would like to get community feedback on this opinionated statement:
“Features are not considered done until our customers are getting value out of them”
Do you agree? Disagree? Not really care? I’m having a hard time finding something even vaguely resembling definitive either way when looking through Agile, DevOps, best practices, Medium articles, etc. There seem to be quite a few opinions out there.
@roth.andy i’d say I disagree..
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What do we mean by value? How is value defined and measured? We would need to agree on clear and fair parameters for “value” that’s applicable across every type of story/task. E.g. “it’s not done until it’s in production” isn’t always relevant to every task. If we’re saying something is not done until it’s been validated and handed off, that can be fair.. you can build objective criteria around that. if you ship something and the customer has gripes but agrees the core of the thing is there, then those gripes can become backlog items, If you ship something and it’s way off from what was asked, then I would look at item 3 on this list. If you ship something, they accept the work but then never use it, that’s not the responsibility of the engineering team so they shouldn’t get penalized by having a never ending task/story/epic affecting their metrics.
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Done from whose perspective? The customer likely has no stake in the game whether something is ever considered done or not, but the engineering team needs this definable because they need to measure their output, they need to know the state of things, report on KPIs like time to resolve, and so on.
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How is the feature conceptualized in the first place? Is the feature’s representation in the tool (e.g. Jira) specific enough where it’s reasonable to agree on a definition of done?
Our general process at cloud posse is tasks are moved to done, then on status calls with customers we move them to an accepted status as they provide thumbs up. This is also after they’ve reviewed (or have been given plenty of time to review) the associated PRs and such.
If we’re saying something is not done until it’s been validated and handed off
Handed off smells to me like a dev team throwing the feature over the wall to the ops team (which is my exact problem right now). In a DevOps mindset it doesn’t feel valid to me to call something done the minute I make it someone else’s problem.
Our general process at cloud posse is tasks are moved to done, then on status calls with customers we move them to an accepted status as they provide thumbs up
Are they giving a thumbs up based on looking at their production environment? Or the pre-prod/testing environment?
Handed off smells to me like a dev team throwing the feature over the wall to the ops team (which is my exact problem right now). In a DevOps mindset it doesn’t feel valid to me to call something done the minute I make it someone else’s problem.
that could happen for sure. the DevOps mindset is harder to achieve if the org structure isn’t aligned to fostering it. I don’t know your org obviously but the minute you start talking about different teams, that’s a hurdle to getting that sense of shared ownership and investment you want your devs to have. I would definitely be interested to ask more questions/dig into this deeper next week if you’re on office hours
Are they giving a thumbs up based on looking at their production environment? Or the pre-prod/testing environment?
the tasks can be environment specific so it depends
obviously the smaller the scope the easier your work moves through your board
wow, this might be a marathon session today! lots of great questions. we’ll try to get to as many of them as possible.
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During the last 5 or so minutes of 3-Feb Eric mentioned that Cloudposse views things from 4 layers; infrastructure, shared services, application and…….. I missed the 4th; Anyone know what that might be?
I’m just curious whether anybody else treats the database layer as separate. I know many folks keep databases under the ‘application’ layer, but I find that app-layers (load balancers, container clusters) move at a difference cadence than databases (rds, the SQL within).
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links from today’s announcements: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/data-protection.html#encryption-transit https://www.uptycs.com/blog/harnessing-the-aws-nitro-architecture-to-encrypt-inter-node-traffic-in-kubernetes https://terraform-docs.io/ https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases https://github.com/sponsors/cloudposse https://www.youtube.com/c/cloudposse
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https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=204677
Testivus on Test Coverage
Regarding Geodesic: would you ever consider adding zsh+oh-my-zsh+powerlevel10k? I get having a container to spread around that has a bunch of tools in it but the shell itself lacks numerous convenient features of the shell combo above like sugary history lookup, command completion for kubectl, directional search through files directories, etc.. I’ve spent some time shaping this on Alpine using the geodesic image and it is somewhat a pain because alpine is not meant for such a terminal environment (natively). Nothing wrong with using alpine containers and in fact the powerlevel10k dev uses alpine to demo his stuff; but getting oh-my-zsh working on it including its plugins seems difficult via geodesic.
exceedingly underwhelming and nothing what a serious terminal environment would actually look like
I disagree with this statement. So does Google.
https://google.github.io/styleguide/shellguide.html#which-shell-to-use
Restricting all executable shell scripts to bash gives us a consistent shell language that’s installed on all our machines.
@roth.andy see my edit. I specify several things which are missing from the shell that I think would make it much more convenient to use.
@roth.andy Additionally: you don’t see the logic of what I was pointing out? (That’s a question). What I’m saying is what’s the point of having a shell you want everyone to use if the shell itself is not that sugary?
So that’s the main concern I have. And if you disagree with that then I’d like to understand why.
I’m not a maintainer of Geodesic, so I can’t speak definitively on it, but I’d imagine that compatibility is more important than convenience to them.
Bash is universal. zsh is one of many options that are all considered alternatives to bash
If they add zsh, should they add ksh when someone who likes ksh better comes along and wants it?
The beauty of Docker containers is you can use Geodesic as the base container in a dockerfile and do whatever you want with it
Yea, the interactive shell, is just one piece of it. We use it as the base image for things like Atlantis, or steps in a pipeline that call helmfile, or helm, or kubectl.
I’ll be honest, have serious FOMO/shell-envy of zsh/fish/etc and the power features of those. Just it’s not yet been a priority. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely, but @roth.andy is correct that bash is the most widely adopted shell. Tides are turning towards zsh, but I want to make sure don’t make a rash decision. Also, the terminal UI/UX has become a thing these days. Very hard to make it appealing for a wide audience (the audience that cares what the prompt looks like). I know inside our company, there’s a lot of different opinions on colors, characters/utf8, etc. No one can agree.
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@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) ^^
Sadly… last commit to that alpha provider was at the beginning of December. I really hope that gets more steam — I could use that today (if it was reliable).
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links from today’s announcements: https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-rds-db-proxy https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-code-deploy/ https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-ec2-bastion-server https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-aws-cloudtrail-cloudwatch-alarms https://docs.cloudposse.com/tutorials/geodesic-getting-started/ https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases/tag/v0.14.8 https://cloudposse.com/jobs https://github.com/sponsors/cloudposse https://www.youtube.com/c/cloudposse
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Can we please discuss this during office hours this week? I’ve been waiting on this functionality for a while and I’m kicking the tires on it today. I’m trying it on an existing cluster and having some configuration issues. Might try the walkthrough the article gives just to see this working.
Sad part is they implemented this on the v1 AWS CLI instead of the v2 CLI which i already have installed. Why AWS? WHY!? Anyway, I’m able to run the v1 CLI in a virtualenv so that works.
Looking forward to hearing about the experience folks are having with this! https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/containers/new-using-amazon-ecs-exec-access-your-containers-fargate-ec2/
2021-03-17
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Another question for the office hour today: how do you manage iam user login profiles (console passwords) with a team. The keybase key cannot and should not be shared among members in the team. What do you do if the original creator of the login profile leaves the company and the keybase key is deleted ? Do you taint the resource and recreate it ?
I’m light on prepared questions today
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links from today’s announcements: https://goteleport.com/blog/introducing-database-access/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/containers/new-using-amazon-ecs-exec-access-your-containers-fargate-ec2/ https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonECS/latest/developerguide/ecs-exec.html https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases/tag/v0.15.0-beta2 https://cloudposse.com/jobs https://github.com/sponsors/cloudposse https://www.youtube.com/c/cloudposse
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Makefile example for Michael:
decrypt-user-password:
@if [[ "$(USER)" == "" ]]; then \
echo "Please set USER to first_name.last_name prior to running 'make decrypt-user-password'" && exit 1; \
fi;
@PGP_KEY_JSON=$$(aws secretsmanager get-secret-value --secret-id terraform_iam_users_pgp_key | jq -r ".SecretString"); \
export GPG_TTY=$(tty); \
echo $$PGP_KEY_JSON | jq -r ".terraform_users_pgp_private_key" | gpg --import; \
export PGP_PASSPHRASE=$$(echo $$PGP_KEY_JSON | jq -r ".terraform_users_pgp_passphrase"); \
cd ./components/iam_infra; \
export ENCRYPTED_PASSWORD=$$(terraform output --json | jq -r '.user_encrypted_passwords.value | .["$(USER)"]'); \
export RAW_PASSWORD=$$(echo $$ENCRYPTED_PASSWORD | base64 --decode | gpg --decrypt --batch --passphrase $$PGP_PASSPHRASE); \
printf "\nPrivate message $(USER) in Slack with the following:\n\n"; \
echo "Hey, you got a fancy new AWS Login :cool-doge: Check out the info and guide below to get everything setup:"; \
echo ""; \
echo "AWS Account Setup Guide: REDACTED"; \
echo "Console Login URL: REDACTED"; \
echo "username: $(USER)"; \
echo "password: $$RAW_PASSWORD";
@Mike Martin
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would you pick teleport over strongdm now the teleport supports mysql and postgres?
from AWS API Gateway:
When private DNS is enabled, you’re able to access your API via private or public DNS. (This setting doesn’t affect who can access your API, only which DNS addresses they can use.) However, you cannot access public APIs from a VPC by using an API Gateway VPC endpoint with private DNS enabled. Note that these DNS settings don’t affect the ability to call these public APIs from the VPC if you’re using an edge-optimized custom domain name to access the public API. Using an edge-optimized custom domain name to access your public API (while using private DNS to access your private API) is one way to access both public and private APIs from a VPC where the endpoint has been created with private DNS enabled.
this is key statement :
However, you cannot access public APIs from a VPC by using an API Gateway VPC endpoint with private DNS enabled
sorry that I interrupted you in the call
no worries!
but what about this part?
Using an edge-optimized custom domain name to access your public API (while using private DNS to access your private API) is one way to access both public and private APIs from a VPC where the endpoint has been created with private DNS enabled.
private DNS should work in this case?
is you api endpoint, public or private?
when i hopefully get it working, the endpoint would be private
if the endpoint is private AFAIK you are forced to use the huge long name of the vpc endpoint
I think the problem is that they somehow check the host header so if it does not match then it fails
got it
In my case I was using a private endpoint with and API policy to check which VPC the request was coming from
yeah a vanity URL would be nice for this project so i keep pressing that way. if we have to use the machine named URL so be it
and that combination did not work even when I used a cname to point to the vpc endpoint
you could try to setup the private endpoint nd then cname a dns and see if it works
I think it might work if you do not have custom policies
ok. i will just try to get it working and then will hack on any improvements. something is better than nothing at this point
i’ll circle back with the final implementation
awesome
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2021-03-24
Reposting my question from a few weeks back in #kubernetes as I’m striking out on this one. We don’t need to talk about this in depth at all, but if anybody is managing a larger TCP service in production then I’d like to chat with you!
https://sweetops.slack.com/archives/CBW699XE0/p1614790261014800
https://github.com/yannh/kubeconform <– cool little tool for validating kube manifests in pipelines worth a quick once over
Hi everyone, would like to hear what are the key points you consider when deciding to deploy your workloads on ECS EC2 or ECS Fargate. What would make you to pick Fargate even though it’s more expensive when running the tasks 24/7. Is the simplicity of scaling out/in the only factor influencing this decision?
not having to care about AMI/OS patching
(scanning the container image is still necessary, but that’s true either way)
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IMO that pays for itself in regards to the straight up difference when comparing EC2
also, now that Fargate has Spot Pricing the gap is being closed
very valid points @Darren Cunningham
great job on the video @Vlad Ionescu (he/him) – really appreciate the callout about people costs and fully agree that a lot of teams overlook this and end up sinking hours in effort and opportunity loss in order to save on their monthly bill
Thank you!
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Built-in Pod Security Policies vs OPA? OPA is more work, but way more flexible. How to choose between them?
aren’t pod security policies deprecated?
Didn’t know that, thanks. That makes that decision easy
yeah, we choose OPA with Gatekeeper.
thanks for the suggestion to go for amazon sso, how do you manage the users and passwords inside amazon sso ? Via terraform as well ?
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If you want to learn more about Geodesic — we’ve got our first tutorial up on the docs site: https://docs.cloudposse.com/tutorials/geodesic-getting-started/
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Automated Terraform code reviews for velocity: https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/terraform-code-reviews-supercharged-with-conftest
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~I know https://pullreminders.com was a thing for PR reminders/analytics~
Seems gone now
Oh god. I did not see the banner
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https://github.com/kubernetes/enhancements/issues/5#issuecomment-776043765:
For anyone following this ticket, PSPs will be deprecated in 1.21 with removal targeted for 1.25.
This is correct. We moved deprecation from 1.22 to 1.21 because we know that existing PSP API will not be losslessly backward compatible with a future replacement. PSP removal is staying at the previously planned 1.25.
Regarding the ECS AutoScaling + Capacity Providers question in chat: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/containers/deep-dive-on-amazon-ecs-cluster-auto-scaling/ will answer the question! It goes super-in-depth on the topic, including how they talk to the ASG and why
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Hi everyone, would like to hear you opinion / experience using GitHub and GH actions vs AWS codeBuild, codePipeline and codeDeploy for CI/CD pipelines when source code is in Github and want to deploy to ECS.
Using AWS products for cicd is nightmare. You can do it though and they do work but if you can choose then look for other solutions first.
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one question Erik, I will join the call as well. Howto migrate existing terraform configurations to a modular configuration, for example based on the cloudposse modules
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Please share the link here)
all those “Public “Office Hours” are the links
It was about atmos docs, sorry for such a fuzzy request). Andy has already shared:)
ok
links from today’s announcements: https://docs.cloudposse.com/tutorials/atmos-getting-started/ https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-cloudflare-zone https://github.com/cloudposse/terraform-cloudflare-waf-rulesets/ https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases/tag/v0.15.0-rc1 https://github.com/sponsors/cloudposse
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Example of logs in GitHub Checks, something that CirlceCI could do but doesn’t: https://github.com/brigadecore/brigade/pull/914/checks?check_run_id=130703731
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a quick question, is terraform import similar to google’s terraformer?
no. terraformer actually generates terraform code, terraform import just imports existing resources into terraform state
got it, hmm, interesting
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In addition to terraformer if you are on GCP now you can do something like
gcloud alpha resource-config bulk-export --project my-project --resource-format=terraform
to export your resources in TF format
https://cloud.google.com/sdk/gcloud/reference/alpha/resource-config/bulk-export
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clickops, it is an innovation lol
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